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kuangningOkay. While I dislike being spammed, -this- was actually funny. < insert standard disclaimer here: not my actual feelings on men, stereotypical blather, yadda yadda. >
Advice From Women To Men
1. The reason why our bras don't always match our underwear is because WE actually change our underwear.
2. The next time you and your buddies joke about armed women in combat, take a poll to see which of you successfully aim at the toilet rim.
3. If we're watching football with you--it's not bonding--it's their butts.
4. Whenever possible, please try to say whatever you have to say after the movie.
5. Lay off the beans several hours before bedtime.
6. Please don't drive when you're not driving.
7. If you were really looking for an honest answer, you wouldn't ask in bed.
8. The next time you joke about female drivers, research the number of accidents caused by rubber-necking mini-skirts.
9. If only women gossip, how do you and your friends keep track of "who's easy"?
10. Stop telling us most male strippers are gay: we don't care.
11. When you're not around, I belch loudly, too.
12. We don't mind if you look in the mirror to check your appearance -- in fact -- please do !!!
13. When you're out with us, please wear "our" favorite outfit rather than "yours" -- the torn jeans and dirty T-Shirt will last longer that way.
14. If you must grunt in reply, please develop a system to indicate a positive vs a negative grunt.
15. Don't insist that we "get off the stupid phone" and then not talk to us.
16. Eye contact is best established above our shoulder-level.
17. Cleaning the house is not necessarily "women's work"; besides, most of the "dirt" and clutter is yours anyway.
18. Yes, we know most of the great chefs are men, why is it then that you never want to cook?
19. We go to the Ladies Room in groups to talk about you.
20. Yes, we know you can probably beat us arm wrestling; however, very few raises or promotions were gained by arm wrestling the boss.
1. The reason why our bras don't always match our underwear is because WE actually change our underwear.
2. The next time you and your buddies joke about armed women in combat, take a poll to see which of you successfully aim at the toilet rim.
3. If we're watching football with you--it's not bonding--it's their butts.
4. Whenever possible, please try to say whatever you have to say after the movie.
5. Lay off the beans several hours before bedtime.
6. Please don't drive when you're not driving.
7. If you were really looking for an honest answer, you wouldn't ask in bed.
8. The next time you joke about female drivers, research the number of accidents caused by rubber-necking mini-skirts.
9. If only women gossip, how do you and your friends keep track of "who's easy"?
10. Stop telling us most male strippers are gay: we don't care.
11. When you're not around, I belch loudly, too.
12. We don't mind if you look in the mirror to check your appearance -- in fact -- please do !!!
13. When you're out with us, please wear "our" favorite outfit rather than "yours" -- the torn jeans and dirty T-Shirt will last longer that way.
14. If you must grunt in reply, please develop a system to indicate a positive vs a negative grunt.
15. Don't insist that we "get off the stupid phone" and then not talk to us.
16. Eye contact is best established above our shoulder-level.
17. Cleaning the house is not necessarily "women's work"; besides, most of the "dirt" and clutter is yours anyway.
18. Yes, we know most of the great chefs are men, why is it then that you never want to cook?
19. We go to the Ladies Room in groups to talk about you.
20. Yes, we know you can probably beat us arm wrestling; however, very few raises or promotions were gained by arm wrestling the boss.
Re:
Date: 2002-03-14 07:38 am (UTC)You're correct; I do acknowledge them. As you said that acknowledging them is why they exist, I can see why you'd react... the acknowledgment is as offensive, if not more offensive, to you, than the stereotype itself. That's something I hadn't considered, and I'm still not sure I understand it completely, but I see your point.
This is how I see it, however. Pretending they don't exist doesn't change the fact that they exist; in fact, I believe that it helps perpetuate them because the people who disagree never speak out, and the people who agree never hear anything which might make them reconsider. I also believe that the proof of what I believe, whether I state it or not, lies in how I treat people... and I don't apply stereotypes then. I don't feel that something has to be right to be amusing; wrong things are often amusing to me simply because they're wrong.
what I'd like to happen has already happened, really. Hopefully the fact that I have expressed my distaste for the sort of thing you posted will at least make you aware that things of that nature are only funny to people in, as you put it, the "privileged group" (and in this case, the prevailing group.
I disagree. I also find it amusing when it's directed "my group." I am female and negro, and I'm amused by the stereotypes regarding them, because I know that they're wrong. Someone acting upon those stereotypes is either to be set right or disregarded... and people like that also amuse me. If I know that a blanket statement aimed at my group is ridiculous, why should I be personally offended by it?
If I were to post something similar with the roles reversed, I would be branded sexist and rightly so. It is unfair, and unfortunate, that the stereotypes regarding women are such a sore point that even acknowledging them automatically brands a man as sexist. Unfortunate, because it gags the men who don't subscribe to the stereotypes, while the men who do subscribe to them keep voicing them, because they discount women's opinions in any case. Unfair, because many men have also come to believe that acknowledging the stereotype makes them sexist - and yet, the same isn't true for women. Let me ask you: if the subject was a book you disagreed with, would you believe that quoting it as amusing after saying you disagreed with the content still identifies you as agreeing with it? If not, then why do you believe that this content is different?
Just remember that when you post to your journal [...] you are representing yourself and what you believe That's true.
and if that's what you choose to post, the person it reflects badly on is you, From your point of view, yes, I can see that.
and you're only inviting comments in that regard. Dissent that's given genuinely doesn't upset me. I've learned from you, and I've enjoyed the exchange. I consider that well worth the post.